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Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
680Anand 1/25/2007 11:06:52 PM EST

Thank you Parmendra dai for the excellent article:
http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2007/01/8-parties-need-to-declare-205.html

In April, there were no talks. There were basic demands. And when those demands were met, the revolution came to a halt. Same thing now. There are four basic demands.

Citizenship papers to all Madhesis, not to 33 lakh but to 60 lakh.
205 constituencies based on equal population.
Reserved constituencies for the DaMaJaMa.
A fresh census before the elections.

Talks? What talks? The eight party coalition needs to come out saying they agree to the basic demands. And the street action will come to a halt. That is how you do it.

There is this disdain in the Prime Minister's invitation for talks. All problems will be solved by the constituent assembly. Don't you know? Are you stupid? That is the tone. That will not work.
There is also this disrespectful ignorance. Baluwatar is acting up. Girija is acting like he does not know why the Madhesis are out in the streets. The world knows, but Girija does not.

In April, the king kept inviting the eight parties to suggest a name for a new Prime Minister. That was the royal disrespect. The king kept suggesting the people are out in the streets because the filthy political parties want the kursi, and that is all there is to it.

Girija is doing a repeat performance. All the Madhesi leaders want is some chiyapan at Baluwatar. That is all there is to it. If he will offer tea, things will quieten down. Girija is the Pahadi Bahun supreme. Prachanda is his minion. Krishna Bahadur Mahara said yesterday, look what happens when we Maoist leaders step outside of Kathmandu for a few days! Mahara lives on another planet.

The Prime Minister needs to give a speech of concession like King Gyanendra gave a speech of concession. That is the only way the streets will calm down.

This is also a good opportunity for the Madhesi People's Rights Forum (MPRF) to change from being an organization to becoming a full-fledged political party. You have to ride this momentum. If this street action does not result in the four basic demands being met, it will have been in vain. If this street action does not result in a total electoral annihilation of the Pahadi parties from the Terai during the constituent assembly elections, it will have been in vain.

Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
wrong 1/28/2007 4:47:44 PM EST

By the my name is Bye in previous comment (sorry about that)

Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
680 Anand 1/28/2007 11:23:54 PM EST

Gagan Thapa On The Terai

तर्राईको तनावलाई अवसरमा बदल्नुपर्छ

गगन थापा

Why Are The Pahadis Quiet?

मधेसका केही जिल्लामा देखिएको तनाव र असामान्य स्थितिलाई विभिन्न कोणबाट नियाल्नु अनिवार्य छ । एकाङ्गी विश्लेषणबाट न मधेसको मुद्दा र तनावको चुरो ठम्याउन सकिन्छ न निरूपणको कार्यसूची तय गर्न सकिनेछ । राष्ट्रसंघीय प्रतिनिधि मार्टिनले जे भने सही भनेका छन् । यो आगो समयमै निभाउन सकिएन भने संविधानसभा निर्वाचन कार्यतालिका मात्रै भताभुङ्ग हुने होइन समग्र शान्ति प्रक्रिया अवरुद्ध हुन सक्छ । निश्चित रूपमा यो भग्नोत्साहको स्थिति हो, निरुपायको स्थिति भने होइन ।

सत्ता सञ्चालकहरू (यो परिभाषाभित्र माओवादीसमेत पर्छन) गम्भीर, प्रज्ञापूर्ण, दूरदर्शी र उदार हुन सक्ने, समाजको प्रतिपक्षीय चिन्तन र द्रुत परिवर्तनको आवेग बुझ्न सक्ने, समस्या र मुद्दाका भिन्न आयाम विश्लेषण गर्न सक्ने अनि प्रतिगामी पदचापको भद्दा आवाज सतर्कतापूर्वक सुन्न सक्ने क्षमता राख्छन् भनेचाहि मधेसमा हाल देखिएको हलचल र क्षुब्द वातावरण सम्पुर्ण अधिनायकवादी आकांक्षाहरूलाई सदाका निम्ति परास्त गर्न प्रयोग गर्न सकिनेछ ।

यसको निम्ति पहिलो र्सत राजनीतिक नेतृत्व सांघुरो राजनीतिक चिन्तनवृत्तबाट बाहिर निस्कन सक्नर्ुपर्छ । राजनीतिक अग्रगमनको कार्यसूची तय गर्ने सर्न्दर्भमा सात दल र माओवादीले जातीय, क्षेत्रीय, लैंगिक र अन्य असमानताविरुद्ध लामो समयदेखि संगठित रूपमा संर्घष गर्दै आएका समूहहरूप्रति देखाएको उदासीन व्यवहारप्रति कटाक्ष गर्दै हाम्रो आन्दोलनका सहयोगी एक विदेशी मित्रले भनेका थिए, नेपालको शान्ति प्रक्रिया हेर्दा यो 'फ्रेन्ड्स अफ गिरिजाप्रसाद र फ्रेन्ड्स अफ प्रचण्ड' बीचको प्रतिस्पर्धा, शक्ति बाँडफाँड र सहमति जस्तो लाग्छ । उनको संकेत सम्पूर्ण प्रक्रियामा बृहत् सहभागितालाई कुण्ठित गर्दा स्वामित्वको अभावमा अन्य समूह आफ्नो मुद्दासहित प्रक्रियाबाट बाहिर निस्केर अन्य उपलब्ध उद्योगद्वारा सहभागी हुने प्रयत्न गर्नेछन् भन्नेतर्फथियो । मधेसमा सल्किएको यो आगो र अन्य क्षेत्र र समूहमा बढ्दै गएको तनावलाई यो पृष्ठभूमिमा विवेचना गर्नु यथार्थपरक हुनेछ ।

जनव्रि्रोहको एउटा महत्त्वपूर्ण पक्ष, लोकतन्त्रको बृहत् मागभित्र सबै क्षेत्र, वर्ग र समुदायले आ-आफ्नो भिन्नै आकांक्षा र अपेक्षा पनि समाविष्ट गराएका थिए । आन्दोलनको आधार तयार गर्दा राजनीतिक नेतृत्वले लोकतन्त्र बहालीस“गै यस्ता उत्पीडनबाट उन्मुक्तिको उपहार प्राप्त हुने बचन पनि दिएकै हो । त्यसैले पनि यस्ता समूहले छुट्टै अस्तित्वको साथ राजनीतिक प्रक्रियामा सहभागिता अपेक्षा गर्नु र प्रारम्भबाटै आफ्ना मागको सम्बोधन थालनी हुने आग्रह गर्नु स्वाभाविक रूपमा लिनुपर्छ । तर समग्र प्रक्रियामा माओवादीको हतियार व्यवस्थापन मात्रै केन्द्रीय सवाल बन्नु आत्मघाती बन्न पुगेको छ । अनि माओवादीको सम्पूर्ण ध्यान भविष्यको राजनीतिक रंगमञ्चमा आफ्नो दलको ताकत कायम राख्नेमा केन्द्रित रहनु र अन्य दलले समाजमा अन्तरनिहित विषमताको भीषणतामा कुनै कमी नआए पनि आम मानिसको सामाजिक बजुद तुलनात्मक रूपमा फेरिएको नबुझी पुरातनशैलीमै आफ्नो दलीय विरासत जोगाउने प्रयत्न गर्नु यो समस्या सिर्जना गर्ने अर्को कारण बन्न पुगेको छ ।

हिजो मधेस शान्त देखिनु अमनचयनको अभिव्यक्ति थिएन, शक्तिविहीनताको भावनाको लक्षण थियो । लोकतन्त्रले सुतेकाहरूलाई जगाएको छ, हिजो शक्ति हत्याउनेहरूबाट शक्ति खोस्न उक्साएको छ । संगठित भएर उभिएपछि, चिच्याएर कराएपछि आफ्नो आवाज सुनिनेछ, हाम्रै आन्दोलन सिकाउको पाठ हो । हिजो पढाउने अनि आज किन पढिस् भनेर गाली गर्नु वाहियात हो झन् माओवादीले त यो सवालमा मुख फेर्न मिल्दैन । हिजो जातीय स्वायत्तता, क्षेत्रीय स्वायत्तताको नारा लगाउने अनि आज समानुपातिक प्रतिनिधित्वको मागलाई समेत उपेक्षा गर्नु राजनीतिक इमानदारी हुन सक्दैन । निश्चित रूपमा भावी नेपालको नक्सा संविधानसभाले कोर्ने छ, तर त्यो नक्सा कोर्ने ठाउ“मा सम्पर्ूण्ा समुदायहरूको सहभागिताको माग न्यायोचित छ ।

अन्तरिम विधायिका निर्माणमा राजनीतिक दलहरू उदार हुन सकेको भए सम्भवतः यसैले यस्ता समुदायको सहभागिता सुनिश्चित पार्थ्यो, अनि अन्तरिम विधायिका भीषण संर्घष र आमसहमतिको थलो बन्न सक्थ्यो । तर दलहरूभित्रको लोकतान्त्रिक प्रक्रिया ठप्प हुनु र समावेशीको आवरणमा दलीय नोकरशाही एकछत्र हावी हुनाले यो अवसर पनि गुमेको छ । अर्कोतर्फठूलो हल्लाले हलचल ल्याएपछि मात्र प्रभावित हुने नेपाली अधिराज्यको सनातन चरित्रबाट नेपाल राज्य पनि मुक्त हुन नसक्नु अर्को दर्ुभाग्य बन्न पुगेको छ । किन यो राज्य हावा चल्नुअघि र्सतर्क हुन सक्दैन - अथवा न्यूनतम हावा चल्न थालेपछि किन र्सतर्क हुन सक्दैन, हावाले पात झारेपछि मात्र किन यो प्रभावित हुन्छ - मधेसको संर्घषबाट गम्भीर भएर साझा मत निर्माण गर्ने निष्कर्षा पुगेका आठ दलका नेतृत्वले बेलैमा बुभmनर्ुपर्छ अन्य यस्ता धेरै विषय छन्, जसका सम्बन्धमा समय र्घर्किनुअघि नै आठ दलले उदार भएर साझा मत निर्माण गरेकै निको हुनेछ ।

तर्राईका जुन जिल्लामा अहिले अनियन्त्रित अवस्था बनेको छ, यी स्थानमा सांगठनिक हिसाबले दुइ ठूला दलहरू (नेपाली कांग्रेस र नेकपा -एमाले) र्सवाधिक शक्तिशाली छन् । यी दलको घोषित सहभागिता र नेतृत्वविना कसरी यत्रो हलचल उत्पन्न भएको छ - के यी दलले यसको गम्भीर समीक्षा गरेका छन् - के अझै पनि साँठगाँठ थप मजबुत हुनेछ - यसको परिणाम अधिकारको आन्दोलन, मुक्तिको आन्दोलन मुक्तिकामीको चाहना र योजनाविपरीत, षड्यन्त्रकारी साँठगाँठको पोल्टामा पुग्नेछ ।

दोस्रो सम्भावना सत्ता सञ्चालकहरूले तत्कालको राहतको निम्ति बलेको आगोमा पानी हाल्नेछन् । मधेसले जितेको देखिनेछ, तर यो केवल भ्रममात्र हुनेछ । यथार्थमा मधेसभित्रको सानो अभिजातीय समूहले मधेसको नाममा हाल भइरहेको सत्तँ बाँडफाँडमा दर्हो भाग पाउनेछ । यसले सम्पूर्ण मधेसलाई उत्पीडनबाट उन्मुक्ति दिने होइन, मधेसभित्रको सामन्ती सामाजिक अन्तरसम्बन्धलाई थप मजबुत बनाउनेछ, मधेसभित्रको जातीय, लैङ्गकि र वर्गीय विभेदलाई घनीभुत बनाउनेछ अनि सामाजिक न्यायको आर्थिक अवसरमा समानता, भूमिसुधार, लैङ्गकि समानताका संर्घषलाई कुण्ठित पार्नेछ ।

तेस्रो सम्भावना, मधेसमा सल्किएको आगोमा सबैखाले अधिनायकवादी आकांक्षा जलेर ध्वस्त हुनेछन् । आन्दोलनले प्रतिगामी षड्यन्त्रकारी, हिन्दु अतिवादी, विदेशी षड्यन्त्रकारी, सामन्ती र साम्प्रदायिक चिन्तन बोक्ने अभिजातहरूलाई पहिचान गर्दै र पन्छाउँदै व्यापक स्वरूप ग्रहण गर्नेछ । आन्दोलन शालीन हुनेछ, हिंसाको प्रयोग बर्जित हुनेछ, साम्प्रदायिक चिन्तन निषेधित हुनेछ, अन्य अधिकारमुखी आन्दोलनका भेल यही नदीमा मिसिनेछ । यो विराट आन्दोलनले दलहरूलाई यथास्थितिको धङधङीबाट मुक्त पार्नेछ, सम्पूर्णको सहभागितामा अग्रगमनको साझा कार्यसूची तय गर्दै हामी आफ्नै बलमा हाम्रो साझा नेपालको निर्माणमा सँगै अघि बढनेछौं ।

केवल याचना र कामना गरेर मुलुक तेस्रो सम्भावना तर्फ लम्कन सक्दैन । प्रत्येकले आ-आफ्नो भूमिका निर्वाह गर्नैपर्छ । दलहरूले मधेसलगायत अन्य समूहको मागलाई समष्टिगत रूपमा सम्बोधन गर्न अविलम्ब उनीहरूकै सहभागितामा अन्तरिम संविधानमा आवश्यक संशोधनको प्रक्रिया प्रारम्भ गर्नुपर्छ । संघात्मक संरचनाको आधार र स्वरूपको तय निश्चित रूपले संविधासनभाले गर्नेछ तर पनि केन्द्रीकृत संरचनालाई संघात्मक संरचनाले विस्थापित गर्ने अवधाराणात्मक सहमति कायम गर्दै, समानुपातिक प्रतिनिधित्वको सुनिश्चितताका साथ बलेको र बल्न सक्ने आगो निभाउनु अनिवार्य छ ।

फेरि पनि मुलुकलाई तेस्रो सम्भावनातिर डोर्‍याउने हो भने र्सवाधिक महत्त्वको भूमिका आन्दोलनकारी साथीहरूकै छ । तपाईहरूले आन्दोलनलाई जति अहिंस्रक र शालीन बनाउनुहुनेछ, प्रतिगामी चलखेललाई ध्वस्त पार्नुहुनेछ, सामन्ती र अभिजातीय स्वार्थलाई संगठित हुन निषेध गर्नुहुनेछ, अनि सबैभन्दा महत्त्वपर्ूण्ा विषय, साम्प्रदायिक सद्भाव भड्काउने तत्व र चिन्तनलाई नामेट गर्दै साम्प्रदायिक सद्भावलाई थप मजबुत बनाउनुहुनेछ यो मुलुक निःसन्देह तेस्रो सम्भ्ाावनातिर जानेछ । तपाईंहरूकै र्सतर्कता र सक्रियताले साम्प्रदायिक सद्भावलाई मजबुत बनाउनेछ, यी दलहरूले बुझ्न सक्दैनन्- इतिहासलाई सिरानी हालेरमात्र अब कुनै राजनीतिक संगठन बा“च्न सक्दैन । अबको राजनीतिक रंगमञ्चमा राजनीतिक शक्तिहरूको ताकतको निर्धारण केवल इतिहासले मात्र गर्न सक्दैन, यो त धेरै हदसम्म यिनले बोक्ने मुद्दाले तय गर्नेछ ।

काठमाडौंमा नेताहरू भन्नुहुन्छ, मधेसको आन्दोलनमा दरबारिया षड्यन्त्रकारीहरूको ठूलो घुसपैठ छ । मधेसको आन्दोलनमा, जनआन्दोलनले जमिनमुनि गाडिसकेका मर्ुदाहरूको क्रियाशीलताले यो तर्कलाई पुष्टि पनि गर्छ । तर के यो अनपेक्षित थियो र - आफ्नो गुमेको र्स्वर्ग फर्काउन, इतिहासले पन्छाउन लागेका तत्वहरू मधेसमात्र होइन प्रत्येक गौडा ढुकेर बसेका छन् । जहा“ आगो बल्छ यो तत्व घिउ हाल्न पुगिहाल्छ । त्यसैले समाधान आगोमा पानी हाल्नुमात्र होइन, प्रतिगामी नश्लबन्दी गर्ने राजनीतिक इच्छाशक्ति हुनर्ुपर्छ । जनआन्दोलनका दोषीहरूलाई दण्डित गर्नेतर्फहाम्रो उदासीनताले गाडिएका मर्ुदाहरू ब्यु“तिएका हुन् । कस्तो अध्ययन गर्दैछ ओलीको समिति - शान्ति प्रक्रियालाई एम्बुसमा पर्नबाट जोगाउने हो भने सरकार निरीह भएर दरबारिया घुसपैठको अलाप गरेर बस्ने होइन, षड्यन्त्रकारीहरूको जगै भत्काउनर्ुपर्छ । यो सरकारले रायमाझी आयोगको प्रतिवेदनले दोषी ठहराएका राजादेखि राजसेवकसम्मलाई दण्डित गर्ने साहस गर्ने हो भने घुसपैठ र षड्यन्त्रको शृंखलामा यहीँ पूर्णविराम लाग्नेछ । अपराधीहरूलाई खुला छाडेर अपराध नियन्त्रण गर्छु भन्नु हास्यास्पद हुनेछ ।

यो आन्दोलनको माग जति जायज छ, आन्दोलनको शैली त्यति नै नाजायज छ । भोलिको परिणामप्रति त्रास नभएपछि यस्तो शैलीले प्रोत्साहन पाउ“छ । दण्डहीनताको संस्कृति र यसको संस्कृत्रि्रति दलहरूको रक्षात्मक चिन्तनले संर्घषको हिंसात्मक स्वरूपलाई बैधता मिलेको छ । हिजोका अपराधहरूलाई दण्डको घेराभित्र ल्याउने हो भने भोलिको परिणामप्रति व्यक्ति र समुदाय त्रसित हुँदा मात्रै हिंसक र आपराधिक क्रियाकलाप रोकिनेछ । मधेसको आगोले कुनै एक दललाई कमजोर बनाउँदै आफ्नो शक्ति विस्तार गर्नेछ भन्ने चिन्तन कुनै पनि दलको नेतृत्वमा छ भने बेलैमा विगत फर्किएर हेरे हुन्छ । कुनै समय माओवादीको उपस्थितिलाई यसरी विश्लेषण गर्दा आ-आफ्नो स्थिति के थियो, विगतलाई केहीबेर नियाले मात्र पुग्छ ।

मधेसमा देखिएको यो भयानक तनावले यो मुलुकलाई तीन सम्भावनाको माझमा पुर्‍याएको छ । पहिलो सम्भावना, हाम्रो अक्षमता, अदूरदर्शिता र अपरिपक्वताले गर्दा प्रतिगामी षड्यन्त्रकारी, दक्षिणतिरका धर्मोन्मादी समूह र केही मधेसी अभिजातीय स्वार्थको विभेदरहित नेपाली समाज निर्माणको यात्रालाई मजबुत बनाउनेछ । हामी युवाहरू यो आन्दोलनमा सहभागी हुन चाहन्छौं, सत्तँलाई तपाईंको आवाज सुन्न बाध्य पार्न चाहन्छौं, केवल र्सतर्कताको खाँचो छ, प्रतिगामीहरूबाट सामन्ती साँठगाँठबाट, अतिवादीहरूबाट, साम्प्रदायिक सद्भाव बिटुल्याउनेहरूबाट । हाम्रो चाहना हो जय केही मधेसीहरूको होइन, जय मधेसको हुनुपर्छ, जय केही नेपालीहरूको होइन, सिंगो नेपालको हुनुपर्छ ।

Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
$$@ 1/29/2007 1:53:01 AM EST

dear all those who been posting in these two forums related to madhise movement and madhise rights.
who are madhise? ya. i really mean it,who are madhise?
are the marwadis,who live in southern flat land of nepal with acres of land and numbers of factories. who even have good hold on kathmandu's business. just look around and you will know how much of shares of top companies here in kathmandu does belong to marwadis.
are the land-lords (blood sucking vampires) of the south not madishe?
are not the doctors and layers of the south not madhises?
are not munim jis of south not madises?
why madhise is narrowed down to khali bottle famal ka tukra and hajams and fruit-sellers?
and even so, there are pahadi hajams aswell,pahadi fruit sellers and pahadi khali bottle,in pahad itself,and been equally harassed.equally exploited.

i donot mean to be racist what i am pointing is that its not about race but class(which is determined by job,power and o of course money). its not just pahadi and madhise. its sick nepali morality which has always been disguised in the name of "peaceful country,peaceful people".

who will fight for poor himalayns and pahadis?
or not there any poor(in every sense) himalis and pahadis?

somebody do somethihng to sebsonline.org and especially the forum. its sick. at first i thought i had posted it in wrong place but this time i had posted it right but it appeared in the rupesh's thread.(donot know what has happened to this guy he never is intrested in bnks and home issues and always talking about saddam and hillary),ah, girija exception.

Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
680 Anand 1/29/2007 11:50:57 AM EST

Gagan Thapa is correct. This is not just a fight of Madhesis. Its certainly not the fight between Madhesi and Pahadi. It is a fight between people who feel oppressed by the regime in kathmandu. Interviews of Baburam and Prachanda, inaction of Girija, and the lack of seriousness of the government in Kathmandu just shows how dictatorial they become once they get power.

Power needs to decentralized. Local news paper, Local language, Local media, Village Development has to be made powerful. There has to be democracy within the parties.

Madhesis are fighting against an administration that has always looked down upon them and not given them proper share in running the country. It happens so that the power has been centered among Pahadi people. This distinction has to be made clear.

Any community, region, district, zone that feels oppressed by the regime in Kathmandu needs to fight for their right and make sure that the new system has structural impediments that decreases the suppression of one region over the other, and one community over there.

Gagan Thapa is absolutely right, common Pahadi's need to support this rebellion and make it into decentralization power to local levels and a truly inclusive , modern democracy. To think thats its a Pahadi community against Madhesis community is actually a misinterpretation.

Even Devendra Pandey, after his silence of 5 days, said on BBC that this is the continuation of Jan Andolan-II of having a modern democracy where nepali citizen has equal respect and opportunity, both on paper and in practice.

Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
sundeep 1/29/2007 12:20:08 PM EST

Kamal Thapa arrested (breaking news)
Former Home Minister Kamal Thapa was arrested Monday evening on charges of instigating violence in the Terai. More details to follow..

www.nepalnews.com

Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
Ke 1/29/2007 12:29:05 PM EST

NEPAL SUCKS...........one freaking problem after another....and no one wants to settle anything in a reasonable fashion.

Why don't we just break the entire country into 25million pieces and give it to each person......then you can pay one another to go from one piece of land to another and do anything on anyone's land.....and you can have wars and have a new Prithivi narayan shah for each region.

Annnoying fucking place.

Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
" " 1/29/2007 2:15:45 PM EST

Anand Bro i Agree with you but................

The stereotype mind set and the labelling as "madhesi" "pahadi" "dalit" etc are the core to the burning issue. The "minors issue" in Nepal has yet to addressed fully and it is gonna take hell lot of time. Iam sureyou preety much know how the "African Americans" are treated in the United States and it is a matter of time. It is going to take years before the word "madhesi" disappears.

Any political solution is not going to solve the problem fully. In the days to come the issue of minors would be the buzz word for the media. There are alot of issues that government have to adress such as minority religious groups namely muslims and christian community ( the recent declaration of secular state is a big leap on that). The issue of "Dalits" and " women " is gonna be a another challange. The deprived citizens of Dolpa and Kalikot even dont know what their "right" is.

What i think is Nepal lacked and still lacks the vision to adress all these issues. At this moment when the country is making a come back and trying to overcome its "past".It is time that everybody showed solidiarity and contribute to the ongoing peace process.

Lets hope that the "political motive"as well as the well real "madhesi" issue would be solved in a peaceful way.

Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
680 Anand 1/29/2007 2:29:14 PM EST

If the blacks had not carried out their civil rights movement, black would be in a lot worse situation then what they are now.

Madhesis need to continue this protest. You are wrong if see this movement as lack of solidarity on Madhesis part. I take it as a lack of solidarity on the common Phadi who is interpeting this as threat to the nation and take over by India! ( thanks to our Panchayati education).

This fight is for the end of previlege that some higher cast, urban Pahadi have enjoyed for so long that they take for granted. This is about building a truly democractic state, where power lies with the people ( not with a certain group of people).

If the common man does not keep the pressure, we are going back to the 1990 democracy, maybe a little better. We don't want another revolution every 10 years in our country.

Common phadis need to show solidarity with the Madhesis cause of having a inclusive democracy. Our leaders claim them are inclusive democracy, but don't do in practice. Its this lack of faith in the current leaders, and the lack of signals of inclusive democracy in the future that driving this protest.

I see it as a duty of every individual in the nation to support the Madhesis cause by talking publicy about it and not letting this resistance turn into separtist and a communal movenment.

If the administration continues to show apathy towards this issue and if the Phadis who are in office in police, administration continue the behaviour that the showed in Nepalgunj ( did you see the video, see is believing). The country can easily slide into a civil war.

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Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
572B Roopesh 1/29/2007 8:33:10 PM EST

Ke,

I completely understand your frustration. You put it in the perfect way possible

Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
572B Roopesh 1/29/2007 8:56:28 PM EST

Kamal Thapa arrested for ‘instigating’ violence in Terai

Former Home Minister Kamal Thapa was arrested Monday evening on charges of instigating violence in Terai region.

Former Home Minister Kamal Thapa
Police arrested Thapa from his residence in Bishal Nagar, Kathmandu, at around 9:45 pm. Thapa reportedly refused to receive the arrest warrant, but the police team insisted to take him with them saying they had order from above to arrest him.

Thapa is accused of fuelling violence in the ongoing protests of Madhesi groups in several Terai districts over the last few days.

His arrest came within hours after Home Minister Krishna Prasad Sitaula claimed at a press briefing that royalists were infiltrating into the protests in Terai to instigate violence and vowed action against those trying to create unrest.

Thapa, one of the key figures in the past royal government, is also accused of ordering brutal clampdown on 19-day pro-democracy agitations last April.

At least seven people have been killed and dozens others injured in the ensuing violence in Terai during protests organised by Madhesi Janadhikar Forum (MJF) and two factions of Terai Janatantrik Mukti Morcha (JTMM), demanding amendment in the recently-promulgated interim constitution to guarantee proportional representation in the upcoming constituent assembly polls and a federal system

Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
572B Roopesh 1/29/2007 10:06:03 PM EST

Mandal was also arrested, just recently.

Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
novice 1/29/2007 10:10:27 PM EST

At the beginning of this andolan everyone was trying to blame each other for the instigating the violence. Funnily, now Madhesi leader of every party is trying to take credit for the andolan and all Madhesi leaders are talking about Madhesi solidarity. For all their time in the parliament and cabinet, the likes of JP Gupta, Hriyesh Tripathi, Mahantha Thakur, Surendara Chaudary etc did nothing to empower the Madhesis but now they are all trying to take credit.

My major concern is that this movement is is fast becoming a seperatist movement. Goit claims he wants a seperate nation. It was reported that the national flags were burnt in several places yesterday. I think it is high time the government cracks down on the leaders who argue for a seperate nation. If the government has the balls to rightly arrest Kamal Thapa on charges of instigating the violence, why not arrest and even hang Goit on charges of betrayal to the nation. I am absolutely for the empowerment of the Madhesi community but cessesion is not an option.

Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
Third Eye 1/29/2007 10:22:57 PM EST

Very interesting move. Eagerly seeing what they will come up with from the two arrested royalists. If there is indeed involvement of Narayanhiti-backed elements, the whole issue should be dealt differently. This is where I see a sort of disillusionment surrounding our folks like Paramendra and Anand! Everybody will have solidarity for a rightful strike for the guaranteeing of equal rights and privileges to the people from the South! But you people blindly support the strike. The wrong elements in your strike will dramatically reduce the credibility of the purpose people are fighting for!

And also dear Anand, you are wrong to see everything in Nepal as being dominated by Pahades! A lot of big industries including FNCCI has a lot of people from the south. While it is true that there is underrepresentation in the mainstream politics, you make Pahades suppressive, which is the most stupid generalizations considering scores of 'Pahades' (i hate to use these words) that have been deprived of so many things!

And all I could do is laugh, when you compared it with the Black movement! F*ck that, SERIOUSLY! People from Terai have wealth of the nation! And the nation depends on that! You have freaking landlords in Terai who have been protected by the Palace for ages! Seriously, lets get to pragmatic route and stop generalizing issues and make it seem like the battle of Pahades vs Madhesis. Because, things are not that way! Madhesi underrepresentation is a massive issue, the focus should only be there. You people who consider yourselves to be the voices of the 'suppressed' should be able to say wrong for something that is not right!

Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
680 Anand 1/29/2007 11:00:38 PM EST

Third Eye,
I was talking about Politics, not commerce.

And just by arresting Kamal Thapa and Badri Mandal it doesn't prove anything. This is uprising of the Madhesis from the grass root level. Royalist were taking advantage of it.

Just wait and watch! This thing is not going to stop until the demands are meet.

Arresting royalist leaders and declaring Nepal republic won't solve the problem (as Prachanda claims). Maosit have lost a big vote bank in the Terai and they feel like some undeserving folks who they treat as by product is reaping the benifits of the fight the started.

The dynamics of politics in Nepal is shifting, ethinic politics is here to stay ( thanks to ethinic discrimination).

Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
Ke 1/30/2007 11:17:21 AM EST

Why is it that the protestors are attacking the media??

All those who commend an uprising should also condemn acts of violence!!

Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
Dhiraj 1/30/2007 9:22:09 PM EST

Madhesis have been marginalized for over two centuries. The Gorkha imperial ambition saw Terai as a colonial
frontier, and the attitude persists today. Madhesis are a second class citizen in their own country. Every madhesi grievance must be redressed. Every madhesi voice must be heard. Every madhesi dignity must be upheld.

There have been excesses, and the perpetrators must be held duely responsible.

But there are some strong words floating around. Ethnic cleansing? Holocaust? Rwanda?

We have enough Frankensteins out of hand.

Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
angry 1/30/2007 9:58:04 PM EST

Well, there s already an article out that contain those words " ethnic cleansing and what not". foriegn name, and I am nt so sure about his credibility. But he seem t know a lot of incedents way back

Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
angry 1/30/2007 10:04:52 PM EST

sorry, here is the link http://newsblaze.com/story/2007013080301nnn.nb/newsblaze/OPINIONS/Opinions.html

Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
680 Anand 1/30/2007 10:29:33 PM EST

Here is any article for the guys who went to BNKS , came to the US and think they know it all. Student in Nepal have got it! Sadly many BNKS grads haven't!!

Here is an article from nepalnews.com.

RPP also wants a Nine student organisations lend their support to Terai agitation

Nine student organisations affiliated with various political parties including the Maoists have lent their support to the ongoing agitation in Terai.

They have asked the government to fulfill the demands of Madhesi people such as federal restructuring of state, constituencies based on population and geography and proportional representation based electoral system.

The meeting of nine student organisations held at the central office of Nepal Students Forum (NSF) – affiliated with Nepal Sadbhavana Party (NSP-Anandidevi) – has concluded that "the agitation which started spontaneously is now growing dangerously."

The student organisations have also asked the government to be alert about elements that want to exploit the situation.

The meeting was attended by representatives of NSF, Nepal Students Union (NSU), NSU-Democratic, All Nepal National Free Students Union (ANNFSU), ANNFSU-Revolutionary, ANNFSU (United), Nepal Revolutionary Students Union, and Nepal Students Federation. nepalnews.com sd Jan 31 07

Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
Topaz 1/31/2007 2:17:07 AM EST

Kamal Thapa and other royalists are arrested for instigating violence in Terai. It is a very good move of the government. These people must have been arrested long time back. I have no sympathy towards them. I believe govt has sufficient proof of their involvement in Terai violence. However, I am not pleased with the govt's approach towards Terai problems. Rayamajhi commission had submitted report long time back. The commission must have written the report and recommended actions based upon proper investigations because that is what the commission was supposed to do. What is the parliament and the govt doing till now with the report? Why its recommendations not implimented? Or are they still not sure in believing the facts mentioned in the report?

Had the govt taken actions according to the recommendations, these people would have been either behind the bars or at the court by now. They would not have been able to fuel up the violence and people would not have lost their lives. Govt has power and means to find out who was behind the violence. Why did it take so many days? Why was it necessary to arrest these people only after the meeting of leaders of 8 parties. They are just common criminals. Police has authority to arrest anyone who is involved in criminal activities (provided they have proof). It was not necessary to wait govt's authorisation. The action taken by govt shows that it is not seriously interested in solving the real problem of terai. Arresting these bastards after the meeting of the top leaders makes the case look more politically motivated, rather than plain criminal case. If it is just to show the people what the govt is doing, then this govt is no better than Gyane's cabinet.

It looks like, govt and eight parties are just trying to show superficially that they are interested in solving Terai problem, however in reality they are giving damn to it. Now, its time to see how soon the govt and leaders of eight parties are able to stop terai violance.

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